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What will it take to change your ways?

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What will it take to change your ways?

From: Cyndie (lockwench@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-21 12:20:32 UTC
I filled my gastank for for the third time this week. Watching those
little gas pump numbers spin faster and faster got me thinking...

At what point will the higher gas prices affect your letterboxing
activities? Or has it already? Have you started carpooling while
boxing or confining yourself to closer hikes/drives?

My only boxing regrets are that I didn't start boxing until after my
mother died and before gas went above $2 a gallon!!


Lock Wench

PS Checking my records, I paid $589 (with a discount) for my plane
ticket to St.Thomas ( went in late January but purchased the ticket in
late Nov.) This year I booked early but still paid $925 a couple of
months ago. Yesterday my sister checked prices to see if she could join
me and the price was up to $1389! whew!



RE: [LbNA] What will it take to change your ways?

From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) | Date: 2005-08-21 09:18:32 UTC-05:00
I filled the tank on the minivan yesterday. The cheapest around that I
could find was $2.68 a gallon and the fill-up came to $52.00. Not a
pleasant experience.

I'm noticing a lot more people in this area pulling in and "filling up" when
they're down maybe 3 or 4 gallons or so. It's like nobody trusts that the
price won't just another 20 cents before the hour is out, so might as well
slip into the station as long as they're going past it.

Yes, it's definitely affected my boxing this summer. The prices in the
spring weren't high enough yet for me to really feel it, but by summer they
were.

I bicycle to work, so I save money that way and I bicycle around town to run
various errands -- library, meat market, etc. But I've always done that my
entire life, nothing new there.

With boxing, I'm not interested in carpooling because generally it's just
not convenient. I usually can't match schedules well with other people.
But the price of gas has definitely cut down on how far I'll travel and how
many times I've been travelling.

I used to take a week's vacation at a time and head someplace with a lot of
boxes, stay in a motel and snag some of the boxes in that area while doing
some sightseeing. I'm audiovoyant, often I'm being "pulled" in one
direction or another for travel, so while I'm in that area I sightsee and
box. This summer, the furthest I've gone so far is about 2 1/2 hours away
(from Chicago, IL to Freeport, IL), and that was only one trip, and only for
3 days. I'm planning on taking another trip in mid-October. That too, will
likely only be 3 hours away or so, and only for 3 days. The family that
wants me to come and check out an old Civil War cemetery in the area will be
paying my motel expenses and my gas expenses between my house and their
town. I don't expect them to pay any gas expense I incur from driving
around searching for boxes. It'd be nice if they volunteered to but I don't
think that's gonna happen. :-)

I've had folks call me, asking me to fly to their area, and in the past I'd
do that, have them pay the airfare and I'd pay for the rental car and gas
because I'd box and sightsee at the same time. But it's just been too
expensive lately.

So yep, I've pretty much been restricting myself to boxes that are much
closer to my home or just not boxing at all. As a Postal worker, my
mortgage, utilities, and veterinary expenses take a big bite. And the
forecast for natural gas heat doesn't look any too good for this winter from
what I understand. Even tho I have a fairly energy efficient house, I'm
still putting money away for this winter's heating bills.

Letterboxing, hiking, camping, etc. -- those are, unfortunately, *very*
unfortunately, expendable-when-necessary activities.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cyndie
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] What will it take to change your ways?


I filled my gastank for for the third time this week. Watching those
little gas pump numbers spin faster and faster got me thinking...

At what point will the higher gas prices affect your letterboxing
activities? Or has it already? Have you started carpooling while
boxing or confining yourself to closer hikes/drives?

My only boxing regrets are that I didn't start boxing until after my
mother died and before gas went above $2 a gallon!!


Lock Wench

PS Checking my records, I paid $589 (with a discount) for my plane
ticket to St.Thomas ( went in late January but purchased the ticket in
late Nov.) This year I booked early but still paid $925 a couple of
months ago. Yesterday my sister checked prices to see if she could join
me and the price was up to $1389! whew!







Re: [LbNA] What will it take to change your ways?

From: Team Safari (TeamSafari@msn.com) | Date: 2005-08-21 12:03:42 UTC-04:00
Safari Woman is boxing less and less.

Besides not being the type to box alone all that often, other factors such as the heat and ozone, deerflies, and bumper crop of poison ivy in RI this year have kept me out of the woods. I've boxed very little. Dan has boxed even less. When I have a real urge to go get a box alone, a nice easy or seems real safe type of box that's not too far away, I talk myself out of using the gas. I have an SUV and it uses up too much gas for unnecessary jaunts. I need that gas and the money it costs for more necessary things. If I can combine a box with an errand, then we do. Otherwise, out-of-state trips like Fear Faketor and Boxing by the Bay will be the bulk of our boxing this summer. That way, we get away together, see a new place, get to meet or reunite with boxers, and get a few boxes we would never just drive that far to get if there had been no gathering to lure us. And a planned trip is the best way to get Dan out to box. His job and commute have been sucking the life out of him and he's very conscious of gas usage. When we plan a trip, we plan on buying the gas for it, and it doesn't seem as frivolous as just driving around after boxes.

Mary of Team Safari


-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cyndie
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] What will it take to change your ways?


I filled my gastank for for the third time this week. Watching those
little gas pump numbers spin faster and faster got me thinking...

At what point will the higher gas prices affect your letterboxing
activities? Or has it already? Have you started carpooling while
boxing or confining yourself to closer hikes/drives?

My only boxing regrets are that I didn't start boxing until after my
mother died and before gas went above $2 a gallon!!




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Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-27 16:45:47 UTC
The exorbitant gas prices these past few years have DEFINITELY affected
our letterboxing outings. I can't justify spending that kind of money
on fuel to get from points A to B along the way just to hunt tupperware
in the woods. Many of our 'unlocated' boxes in the area are dozens of
miles away from home so any outing is usually quite expensive. As an
attempt to limit our fuel expenses, I've resorted to squeezing in some
letterboxing hunts during previously 'planned' non-letterboxing trips.
Yesterday, I saw gas prices on Whidbey Island, WA (about 20 miles from
Seattle as the crow flies) at $4 a gallon (they're hovering around
$2.75 a gallon in/around our neighborhood) so that's a big reason why
we've cut back substantially on our letterboxing pursuits this year. :
( We're pursuing some other 'financial' goals at the moment so once we
attain those then hopefully we'll dive back into letterboxing with the
same enthusiasm we experienced pre-gas price surge.

dvn2r ckr



Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: Pattycakes (grammypat@txcyber.com) | Date: 2005-08-27 15:26:38 UTC-05:00
I could not justify using gas to drive 30 miles from here to get boxes. It just makes me mad. And after grocery shopping today I guess I'll give up eating too!

Grammy Pat
The only way to find the limits of the possible
is by going beyond them to the impossible.

-Arthur C. Clarke


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Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: (motofranz@webtv.net) | Date: 2005-08-27 16:28:54 UTC-04:00
Letterboxing car pool !!


[LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: chunna21 (elawrenc@capecod.net) | Date: 2005-08-27 21:24:33 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, motofranz@w... wrote:
> Letterboxing car pool !!

What an intriguing idea!... and you can exchange at the same time!!
Where do I sign up?? :-)
Chunna




Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: (StDebb@aol.com) | Date: 2005-08-27 18:02:43 UTC-04:00
motofranz@w... wrote:
> Letterboxing car pool !!

How about a charter bus? Why do things by halves?

DebBee


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Re: Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: (papeseed@tds.net) | Date: 2005-08-27 17:07:55 UTC-05:00
Now THAT would be discreet. :-) --Papeseed

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> From: StDebb@aol.com
> Date: 2005/08/27 Sat PM 05:02:43 CDT
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?
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Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: JOY (TeamTexUS@houston.rr.com) | Date: 2005-08-27 17:18:14 UTC-05:00
well, we rarely eat out, don't go to movies or bowling, and i hate to shop!
letterboxing is my main form of entertainment, and I don't go every weekend,
but when I am able to arrange time to go, i will.........regardless o the
cost of gas.

JOY

-------Original Message-------

From: Pattycakes
Date: 08/27/05 15:26:38
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

I could not justify using gas to drive 30 miles from here to get boxes. It
just makes me mad. And after grocery shopping today I guess I'll give up
eating too!

Grammy Pat
The only way to find the limits of the possible
is by going beyond them to the impossible.

-Arthur C. Clarke


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Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2005-08-27 22:51:46 UTC
Okay maybe it is just because we returned from a two month
trailer/letterboxing trip and we have to justify gas prices in our
own minds, but you have to consider that gas prices are relative to
every other thing that is effected by inflation. Compare gas prices
in the 80s to home prices in the 80s. I used to get a cup of coffee
for 25 cents, and now you pay a whole lot more. We are spoiled by
the price of gas and Europe laughs at us when we complain about $3
plus per gallon. Heck they don't even get it by the gallon, they buy
it by the liter and pay a heck of a lot more. We complain, but then
don't want any drilling for resources that might bother some
caribou. Some folks blame the car makers and building those SUVs,but
they wouldn't build them if they didn't sell. We might change our
ways but it won't be until gas gets a heck of a lot higher.

On a side note, when we were in Oregon hanging out on the coast it
seems like there was an expresso/coffee drive thru about every mile
or so. Do Oregonians drink THAT much expresso? Now at $4 or $5 per
cup that could take our truck almost 20 miles on unleaded regular at
$3 per gallon.

Don



Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: wpastfarm (ckanaa@netscape.net) | Date: 2005-08-28 01:05:07 UTC
For my kids and me, it is a form of entertainment. Instead of
shelling out money for a theme park, or a movie, or some expensive
summer camp, or Chuck E Cheese's (god forbid), we are spending the
money on gas to find out fascinating details about the state we live
in, and take healthy hikes in the great outdoors. We try to pinch
pennies by packing our own lunches but letterboxing is a nice hobby in
the low cost of accessories. I am not thrilled about the cost of gas
but we try to combine trips to find a few boxes at the same time to
help out with that. On balance, I think we have spent less this
summer than other ways to pass the time, and we certainly have spent
more time using our noggins and getting outside.

~ the b's



Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-27 18:42:27 UTC-07:00
gwendontoo wrote:

>I used to get a cup of coffee for 25 cents, and now
>you pay a whole lot more.

*****I guess we could always look at it this way:
Coffee is a WHOLE lot more than gas by the gallon!

But then, if you squint with the other eye, you have
to remind yourself that it IS still possible to get a
bottomless cup of coffee (but not at Starbucks)...

Lucy

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Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-27 18:57:59 UTC-07:00
Believe it or not, higher gas prices have actually
enhanced my letterboxing this summer.

First of all, we live in a small town so we have to go
to the next town bigger to get things a couple of
times a week usually. It used to be nothing to make a
flying trip to pick something up. We've made
ourselves smarter about those trips, so we've saved
ourselves some drive time and some gas.

Second, we've incorporated letterboxing and other
forms of entertainment into the necessary trips, so
the letterboxing has piggy-backed on necessity.

Thirdly, we've thought outside the box and looked at
other towns we could go to instead to get what we
need, and even though they are all a little further
away, the fact that we are combining work and play has
minimized the additional expense of the few extra
miles.

Basically, we've changed our mindset - it used to be
work first, play last. If the work got done, the play
could happen. Now we think more along the lines of
how much can we pack into a trip to best justify the
gas. Because we weren't as wise as we could've been
about our drive time, we often had less play time.
We've combined trips into one so we have much less
drive time, and we wound up with more play time in the
bargain.

It doesn't change the fact that gas is just too darned
expensive, but at least we haven't yet had to cut out
our entertainment.

Lucy



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Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-27 19:17:15 UTC-07:00
Hear, hear! I work to darn hard and too many hours to deny myself the simple pleasure that is letterboxing. Me and my dog, in the woods, paper and compass in hand, nothing like in the whole wide world. If I can't have fun, why do I work? Just to pay bills? Puleease! There has GOT to be more to life than working and paying bills or really, what's the point? Like Don said, it would have to get a heck of a lot higher for me to change my ways. The only thing that keeps me from boxing is the summer heat and humidity. But September is right around the corner....Dude and I are ready.

JOY wrote:well, we rarely eat out, don't go to movies or bowling, and i hate to shop!
letterboxing is my main form of entertainment, and I don't go every weekend,
but when I am able to arrange time to go, i will.........regardless o the
cost of gas.

JOY

-------Original Message-------

From: Pattycakes
Date: 08/27/05 15:26:38
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

I could not justify using gas to drive 30 miles from here to get boxes. It
just makes me mad. And after grocery shopping today I guess I'll give up
eating too!

Grammy Pat
The only way to find the limits of the possible
is by going beyond them to the impossible.

-Arthur C. Clarke


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Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: (Stellabaker123@aol.com) | Date: 2005-08-28 11:41:01 UTC-04:00
When we went to Maine on vacation we got some boxes there. When I go to NH
or Ct visiting my children. It's time to get out & hike & talk and see
interesting places. We even found our first urban letterbox in New York City. We
stopped off I 95 and found a box while we were going up to visit my son. It's
better than watching TV or just sitting around eating all day when you are
visiting the kids-- big or small kids. And it's a time you can get to talk to
those teenagers. My granddaughter is now 17 and & I know from experience you
need to find whatever gets them away from phone, TV, the internet, and video
games and shopping. Besides now I have a common hobby with my 43 year son., my
daughters and daughter-in-law and my grandchildren 9 & 17.

STAR:W+S=DRR


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RE: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) | Date: 2005-08-28 14:12:54 UTC-05:00
Welllllllllll, now that depends.

Are we talking chocolate (the essential food group) or non-chocolate (the
non-essential food group)?

~~ Mosey ~~

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..............It's better than watching TV or just sitting around eating all
day when you are visiting the kids-- big or small kids......................




Re: [LbNA] Re: What will it take to change your ways?

From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-28 14:32:29 UTC-07:00
ik

motofranz@webtv.net wrote:Letterboxing car pool !!



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